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D: You said that this child (John) is with you. Does he seem to be any different from the other children?

S: (smiling) He is fierce like a lion. He is strong and lets everyone know exactly what he is thinking. They don't have to agree, but they are sure to know his point of view.

D: (I laughed.) Is he mischievous?

S: No, he is a good son. He looks much like his cousin (Jesus). Only he is perhaps of more blood and more like his father in strength. Whereas his cousin is calmer and finer.

D: Does he have the same colour of hair?

D: Well, do you know, are there any other prophecies concerning what will happen to this child, the Messiah, in his life? 

S: It is said that he shall spread the word and he shall take the suffering of the world upon his shoulders. And through his suffering we shall be saved.

S: He is very observant. He watches everything as if to learn from everything. He said that when a plant is growing, it knows when to put out new branches, and it knows when to blossom and when to seed. And it knows when to do all these things without any apparent guidance. It seems to know these things out of thin air, so to say. So, in the heart of things man can know things out of thin air, the way the plants do with the more basic things. Because man is a more advanced creature, he could know more advanced things out of thin air, and use these things for guiding his life and actions. I cannot tell it the way he did. He has a beautiful way with words. 

D: Are these things that he has told you that you had not thought of by yourself?

S: Not necessarily that hadn't been thought of. But it is like a breath of spring clearing the dust and the cobwebs away so that you may see it clearly. Perhaps for the first time.

S: (We are teaching every student ...) And to question of things, yes. To never take something at face value ... Ηe said that in his travels he noticed that many of the teachers speak in ways that the people do not understand. He is concerned about this. He thinks there must be a way to speak to them so they will know of what you speak. By comparing the knowledge to things that they know and see about them in their day-to-day lives and in this way, perhaps they will understand the message.

He watches nature and sees lessons in the simplest things, things that I could never see. (I asked for an example.) There is a plant that grows and increases in a strange way. The way it grows, it will shoot up a single plant from the roots and other plants can come up from the roots. And the branches that grow up will bend over and out, and when they contact the ground again, put down roots and start a new offspring plant.

He said this was a good example of a man's cycle of lives. That the plant putting up new plants from the roots was like a man going through rebirths. And the branches tipping over and making new plants that way would be the man's family and his children descending that way while he comes back for new lives and starts new families. He uses circles in many of his examples of this.

He used another plant as an example, a plant that is composed of many layers (similar to an onion). He said this would show the different planes of existence. He pointed out that, at the very centre of the plant the layers are very thin and close together. If one could consider each layer as a different plane, one can see that at the centre where it's the smallest and most limited, that is like the physical world. As one travels upward and outward in the planes, one's horizon of understanding would expand each time and you would see and understand more.

Another example he came by from watching the water. He pointed out how a wave could come in from the sea and lap up on the shore, and pick up a bit of debris. And when this bit of debris is put back down it's almost at the same place that it was before, but moved over slightly. And so the piece of debris will gradually travel down the shore being picked up and placed back down by the waves. He said that this is like your cycle of lives. You go through your cycle of life, starting at one point and then when you die, it's like being picked up by the wave and then re-deposited in a life.

S: He says that he has heard of Yeshua (Jesus) and that he is beginning to preach to the others, and that the word is being spread. It is said that already in the few months that he has spoken, that great crowds come to listen to what he has to say, in hopes that he will perform a miracle. It is known that the powers are very strong that flow through him. It is said that he has cured a leper who but touched his robe. He said that that it is the man's faith that made him whole, And that how could such a one, having so great a faith, be but part of a man. Therefore he would be whole. It is also said that there were the people who could not see, who could see. There are many miracles that have been said to have happened. The only one that I am sure of is the leper. A friend of mine saw this happen. He said that believing that just to touch the cloak would to make him whole, that his faith had done so.

D: Is that how you explain what happened, or can you explain it?

S: I know how it is done, but to explain it is something else. The giving of the energy to heal ... to be accepted is part of it. It must be accepted, and it is also said to be, to have faith in this. So therefore, the man's faith made it possible for him to be whole. He was a channel. I cannot explain it any better. He would often go into meditation with the person to be healed, and while there in a meditative state, he would transfer some of his energy to them. And sometimes people who were looking on could see the transferred energy.

It looked like a glow of light from, say, his hand to the affected part of the person's body. And their auras would start to glow brighter, to where people who ordinarily did not see the aura could see their auras.

(In the meantime Sudi has relinquished his physical body and what he says from here on now relates to his experience as a soul, as he saw it from the spiritual world and not as a person here on Earth.)

D: Do you know how he is going to betray him? (Iscariot)

S: No, I do not know. But the day is dawning soon toward the end. Yeshua shall soon be here with us (in the after-death state). We know this, how can we but help but know it? (Sigh) Though it is ordained, it is still very hard to sit back and to watch this to occur. It brings much sorrow to know that this must happen in order to save. To show others that the way is possible. That it is open to them.

I'm thinking about what is going to occur and weighing my life in the balance. I'm gathering my strength so that I ... will be there. (Sadly and with difficulty) I, too, must learn lessons of this, as we all must. It is something that will be very difficult, but I hope to learn from this ...  If I but have the strength.

D: Will there be others in your spirit world who will observe?

S: I think there will be multitudes who will. There will be a great lesson here. The lesson of selflessness, for this was his choice. We know this. To emulate this is to apply one's self to the pathway.

D: I thought if you had followed him so closely through his life, that you might want to be there during his time of trial.

S: It is not his trial, it is ours! (...) He shall be treated as though he is a felon. And in their eyes he is, for he dares to make them question. He dares to make them look inside themselves, and to them this is a great crime. Because how many men can look at their souls and face what is there? Also, there are many who believe that he is who others say he is. That he is the Christ and the Messiah.

They believe this, but they doubt because of his teaching love. He teaches that we must not hate. And that war is not the way that the kingdom shall be won. But they do not understand this. They are hoping that if he is pressed so hard, that he shall come out and say, "I am the Son of God and therefore you cannot do this". But they do not see that this has been told and retold for all of time, that this shall be his destiny. They cannot see this.

D: How does the crowd feel about this?

S: They are in tears. There are a few who are jeering, saying, "Why not save yourself?" But for the most part they know that no matter who others say he is, this is a man who is ... very beautiful. (He took a deep breath.) Without human frailties. He is risen above the day-to-day problems that beset us ... They have lain the cross and he has been laid upon this and his arms tied. And his legs. And spikes ... are ...  entering into the flesh. (Several deep breaths.) It seems as if the very world is being torn asunder. For the skies that were clear are very dark. And darkness is growing. (Deep breathing.)

The cross is erected, along with the two others. It is central. From this point most of the city can see this. It is upon a rise outside of the city, so that all may see.

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D: Do you think he wants to be worshipped?

S: He wants to be remembered, but perhaps not in the way that many shall remember him. Basically, what he had in mind was a concept similar to a guide, a spirit guide to guide people to greater enlightenment, to help them achieve greater power. To help them become more spiritual in their perceptions. He mainly considered himself as a helper, a guide, an example, like a good friend who is helping you with advice.